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greetings citizens and welcome to

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unknown I'm Jason McClellan thanks for

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hanging out with me journalist and

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author Mike Demonte recently announced

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that he's written a follow-up to his

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book punk rock and UFOs cryptozoology

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meets anarchy the new book is titled

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punk rock and UFOs true believers rogue

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planets Shane hurt and I recently

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chatted with Mike to learn more about

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this upcoming UFO book well Mike I want

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to jump into talking about your new book

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because I'm really excited about it but

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first I guess we'll we'll roll back a

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little bit and I'd like to know when did

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you make the decision to transition from

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a casual observer to someone who

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actively journalistically explores the

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UFO topic ooh good question so I think

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you know one of the things I mentioned

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in this book is there's a commonality

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between people who are into this stuff

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and researchers and usually starts with

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an experience whether it's a sighting or

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something something sparks that or

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ignites that flame in our heads and for

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me you know as a kid I was really into

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this stuff because my mom used to get me

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the the time-life books every there's

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like a book series every month there was

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a new book and one month would be like

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mysterious creatures or the UFO

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phenomenon and all all the unknown stuff

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really interests me but my interest

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really didn't skyrocket until I first

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saw something you know I saw a very

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familiar side and I saw an orb in the

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sky then ever since then I just felt

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were compelled to kind of dig deeper and

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after I wrote the first book the first

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book is very very driven this one I

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think it's it's a better more focused

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version of what I was going for because

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there's more research involved and

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there's other people's inputs including

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yourself so thank you for your help

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absolutely Shane did you have that time

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life series book the the book series you

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know as a matter of fact yes I thought

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you believed it yeah

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pre-internet days yeah that's right oh

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absolutely well so after the release of

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your first book Mike did you experience

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any kind of I love asking people

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question this question people who get

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involved in UFO research and certainly

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people who release a book because when

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you release a book you know your friends

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and family like clearly see that you

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release this book because you're posting

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about it on on social media and stuff so

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after the release of your first book did

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you experience any kind of increased

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interest in the subject from friends and

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family more so from outsiders okay for

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people who I shared mutual friends with

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that I eventually met or for example I

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would have a friend who would share

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something about it and then and then it

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would kind of snowball from there but

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the the increased interest really came

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from I mean honestly I'm not just saying

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this really started with the first time

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I was on row planet okay about the first

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podcast that we did you were the first

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one to really kind of discover me so the

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interest in the book and the brand I

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guess started with with you so I'm very

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thankful and grateful for that well I

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couldn't be not not be intrigued because

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you know punk rock and UFOs or two of my

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favorite things in the world so

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naturally it was a perfect fit yeah so

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no I appreciate that but it's where you

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know Targa's like that sometimes you try

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to have conversations with people even

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like your close friends and you know

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sometimes you're kind of dismissive and

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sometimes family's open-minded but it's

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still hard to really engage certain

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people actually a few weeks ago I was in

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Chicago I was there with my girlfriend

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and her friends and they saw something

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we actually they saw something when

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we're on a boat tour I didn't see

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exhaust too busy yeah actually I post

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about this on my blog they actually saw

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orb in the sky that split up into

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various other orbs and it was like it

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wasn't just them yeah they weren't

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playing a trick um I asked other people

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on the bow and they saw too so that and

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I afterwards you know we kind of had the

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conversation and they're asking me

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questions and they were very open-minded

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and fascinated and one of her friends

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brother was there and he's going to get

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his master

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in physics he's gonna be a physicist mhm

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and he was very open-minded and he says

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absolutely mathematically there's other

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life forms and universes in the universe

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just mathematically makes sense so it's

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always good to have those conversations

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or people open-minded to want to know

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more and yeah I'm sure after after the

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first book that those those

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conversations happened a lot more I love

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that Shane what about you after you

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started working with MUFON as a field

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investigator did and people in your your

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closed circle found out about that did

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did more people start talking to you

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about UFOs yeah surprisingly I was quite

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nervous about it I was kind of in the

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closet on it for quite some time but as

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I you know kind of presented it to

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people especially from you know an

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investigative standpoint and and they

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were kind of shocked to hear that

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there's an organized effort and you know

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and it is taken seriously then you know

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it raised a few eyebrows they you know

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we're acceptive of it and you know I'm

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going good and strong right now and I

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get a lot of support from my family

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that's fantastic yeah now Mike your new

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book is a follow-up to your first book

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like you mentioned and you kind of

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already touched on this but asked you

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more directly so how does the focus of

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the new book differ from that of the

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first book it's more focused in general

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it so basically it's you know it kind of

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plays off some of the the concepts that

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in terms of a process of belief and but

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this one more concentrates on two main

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goals why we should care about this how

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do we get there and also the

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commonalities between the people who

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research this stuff and the everyday

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people am I trying to so the book is

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basically written where as compelling

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enough for people who've been interested

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in this stuff for years to still find

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something new and interesting in it it's

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also written accessible enough for

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people who are not familiar with the

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topic to read it and learn something as

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well so that was the main goal

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of the book and it's really I always

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told people it's kind of a call to arms

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for try to try to get people to care you

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know to care about this stuff because we

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have a lot of barriers and a lot of

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factors that kind of get in the way of

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that so that's the main goal of the book

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and I think the name true believers it

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all kind of goes together very well

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want to touch on that a little bit what

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what do you see is is some of the

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barriers and obstacles that we face when

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trying to address this um so I mean

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there's multiple ones one of the things

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that I actually quoted you about is you

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know you do such a great job on your

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website of choosing articles to run and

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how you source those articles and how

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you're able to differentiate between

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what's hoaxes and what's not obviously

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you know hopes videos and all those

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things are barriers as well but I think

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the main thing is you know we kind of

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live in a world where this is just not a

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priority people the capacity which is

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the universe I mean I understand people

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have families they have you know

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finances you know things that that take

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presents I get that but you know I

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mentioned that so much of a you know so

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many of us you know we just this is a

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hobby you know a lot of us don't do this

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for a living yeah so you know we devote

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a lot of our free to free time and sit

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on the word free yeah you know looking

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into this stuff so I think the main

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barrier is getting people to care you

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know just a little bit just to kind of

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question things and just to you know

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start looking at you know history and

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start looking at you know some puzzle

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pieces and try to put them together on

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their own and start doing some of their

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own research and just start reading more

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you know for things that they never read

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before in terms on the subject you know

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minds that was a big challenge back then

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just trying to dig into sources for

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particular stories and you know try to

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validate the the the news that was being

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delivered or or you know actually

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authenticate them as as valid sources

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media outlet that was reporting the

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story was a respected outlet you still

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have to look at

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where they're citing where that

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information is coming from and what to

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make of that you know it was a big

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challenge back then it's an even bigger

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challenge now I think because even if

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you're looking at like a Google news

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requirements of a site to regularly

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publish stuff you know on a daily basis

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and essentially have some meat to the

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the content they're posting you can't

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just be like a paragraph of reposted

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stuff from somewhere else so they have

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some requirements but at the same time

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not so much so as long as people are

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posting to sites regularly they can

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apply to be Google News sources to come

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up in Google news feeds and things like

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that and if you look now well if you've

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looked at all over the over the past few

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years it's just become filled with

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absolute garbage websites when it comes

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to sources for UFO news a lot of sites

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that have names that sound like

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legitimate media outlets but they're not

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they're just absolute garbage sites that

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are that are somebody's blog trying to

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make money but they're posting the most

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absolutely ridiculous news stories with

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no credibility behind them no sources to

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cite from just this most ridiculous

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information possible with UFOs and that

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is the majority of the site's posting

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UFO news now so as a journalist when I

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look at UF UFO stories now it's

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increasingly difficult to quickly

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without you know spending a lot of time

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again our free time diving in to a lot

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of these sources to determine what's

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legit and what's complete be us yeah

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exactly I think just the nature of the

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subject itself you know you always have

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to kind of look at it with a skeptical

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eye just because I said just the nature

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as a journalist what's your opinion of

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how the media in general treats the UFO

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topic I think I mean I think it's

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getting better

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in general you know one of things I had

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talked about in the first book was you

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know there'd be a story but they usually

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wouldn't be too much follow up on it

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right I think now it is a so it's hard

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but you have to understand how you know

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the media works the media is very it's

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it's ratings driven it's it's clique

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driven so when this stuff runs in print

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or when it's given you know proper

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proper television time that means you

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know it's obviously getting interest

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from people which is a good and I think

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it's getting more respected now so more

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than ever just because you know the

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pentagon UFO story and how mainstream

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outlets are covering it seriously

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they're taking it seriously

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so so that's a positive it's just it's

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just keeping keeping those stories in

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the new cycle is really hard just

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because I mean I worked you know in the

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media for for seven years full time I

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understand how how hard it is to get

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stories to stay up you know even just

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for a day for a couple of hours

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you know just short it's not clicking

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well on a website you know it gets moved

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it gets moved you know or buried or the

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same thing with broadcast as well yeah

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that's right and you know we talked

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about obstacles and I think you know

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there are plenty of internal obstacles

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too and I'd love to hear your thought on

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this but internal being inside the the

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UFO research community or the you know

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UFO community as we call it with just a

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lot of conspiracy driven stuff a lot of

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infighting things like that and also

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there's this idea of the media and it's

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on the same page as the government you

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know the government is this big singular

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thing people like to think of the media

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is this big singular thing just this one

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thing that's controlled by some evil

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force but it has some agenda and you

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know controls what what news gets

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released and as a journalist you know we

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we know that's not not the case you know

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and I like to point out many times that

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the editors the people who are choosing

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the stories to be published you know are

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often just young kids who have a number

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quoted of me

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they're just thirsty for content and

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they need more content they don't care

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what it is they're gonna put it up on

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the site and see what works

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so you know what's your take on that do

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you think that you know for that you

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work for many big media outlets do you

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think there's some evil overlord

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controlling what stories get published I

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wouldn't say there's like a big evil

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over a roar that's trying to censor

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stuff I don't think it's in that case I

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think in my experience is the the

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overlords were supervisors who were

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wanting kind of more salacious clickbait

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be celebrity bases it was a conspiracy

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to hide real news or their UFO story I

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don't think that was it at all it was

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just more of a vested interest in them

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to just kind of milk as many clicks as

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possible through you know write more

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tabloid stories yeah yeah that's

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certainly been my experience too and you

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know some of the the bigger outlets I've

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written for you know required a lot of

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keyword research and and things to

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determine what stories were generating a

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lot of buzz at that time because you're

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right the focus is on the clicks it's on

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the attention it's on whatever is gonna

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make the biggest splash so and certainly

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UFOs do that so it's kind of

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counterproductive counterintuitive to

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say that people are sort of blocking or

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rejecting UFO stories because for some

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reason that information can't get out

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well you're a journalist you teach

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journalism and you've now authored two

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books writing is clearly something you

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enjoy but it seems like you focus on

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nonfiction is nonfiction writing what

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you prefer or do you also enjoy writing

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fiction okay so really good question so

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growing up I was really into writing

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fiction as a kid I used to draw my own

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comic books I mean my heart was awful

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the storylines were they're nice to

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write moon-like horror fiction and then

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when I was in high school I discovered

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journalism so that was my first love of

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writing something that's nonfiction yeah

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and this is something that we've

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discussed I've courted you on the for

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that a lot of people in our in our

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industry especially authors are drawn to

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writing fiction as well yeah and I

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always question if the lines blur and

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that's something I talk about I go into

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detail and the book about as well

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about you know the dude do we blur the

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lines when we decided to write fiction

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and nonfiction especially on this topic

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because it comes to the point where it's

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hard to you know one of the points I

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make in the book is that uh it comes a

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point where everything kind of ties

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together whether it's mythology religion

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fiction and nonfiction they all come

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from something they're all influenced by

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something that possibly happened so in a

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weird way they all kind of come together

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I used to be really opposed to the idea

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of you know the lines being blurred but

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I kind of get it more now I see how they

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how just through history and time how a

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lot of these crazy fictional stories

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that we read whether it's their comic

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books movies pop culture were influenced

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by true events you know you're also a

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big music fan or music journalist too so

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let me ask you this have you have you

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thought at all about your opinion your

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thoughts on the possible connection or

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or why it is that so many musicians seem

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to be drawn to the UFO topic that's a

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really good question I would just think

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because people who are easily drawn to

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the Arts or a bit more open-minded I

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guess so yeah I think that's probably

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the best way to answer that one yeah

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that's an opinion that a lot of people

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share I've heard that answer many times

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and I think that's probably right

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all right so name of your new book is

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punk rocks and UFOs true believers it's

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out July 31st where can people find it

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amazon.com and barnesandnoble.com and

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also you know with all digital assets

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like iTunes Kindle etc all right and

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talk a little bit about your your

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website because after your first book

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came out you launched a website and

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really have developed that into its own

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kind of awesome media destination so

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tell us about your website so I decided

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to start the website after the book just

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because you know the book I get got a

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good reception and I started getting a

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small following I just want to continue

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the research and I want to do things

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different there's plenty of sites out

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there that do a really good job of

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own content of easily coming up with

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their own contents I want to do

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something it was slightly different and

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also something that I wouldn't have to

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work on every day just because of time

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constraints right teaching full-time you

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know it takes up a lot a lot of the time

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so I want to come up with something that

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was a little bit more magazine II sure

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but the same time it's hard hard to

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scribe I want to do something that kind

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of blended the ideas of you otology

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cryptozoology and culture together so I

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kind of want to I kind of aim to do

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something that was featured but at the

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same time still be to be able to break

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news when I was able to as well

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so one of the things I like to do I like

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to interview the researchers of people

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involved in it

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yeah I'm get your experiences get their

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opinions on stuff try to do different

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things like getting to know you things

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as well and also just you know going

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behind the scenes I think one of the

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bigger things I was proud of his when I

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interviewed Ralph Blumenthal who helped

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break the New York Times pentagon UFO

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story yeah and just to get his thoughts

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on kind of behind the scenes of the

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story and there wasn't anything

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earth-shattering in there but it was

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just something good for readers to see

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how he how they how did have a screen

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that story how do they came to the

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conclusion that yes this is credible yes

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this is neither newsworthy so I tried to

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be more serious stuff like that as well

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so yeah that's kind of the site's goal

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is just just be an extension of the book

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and the brand and I hate saying that

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word brand but yeah yeah I hear ya but I

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will say I I do that that is an element

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or the element of your site that I

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really really enjoy is you showcasing

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your your strong interview chops you

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know that that's fun to see because

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that's that's something where you have

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tremendous skill it's where you have a

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lot of experience so showcasing that on

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the site in the articles that you you

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put out it's pretty badass I like it

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thank you so the site is punk rock and

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UFOs calm right right alright so aside

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from that how can people contact you or

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follow your work punk rock in your foes

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calm and at Twitter at Mike Demonte yeah

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those probably the best ways awesome

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well Mike I'm so excited for you can't

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for the book to come out make sure to

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get a copy to me soon because I'm dying

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to read it man

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awesome I think I see the PD opportunity

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sweet I'm gonna dive in Co but good luck

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with everything and keep us posted it

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can't wait to hear how the book does

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awesome thank you that's all for this

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episode of unknown this show is produced

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again to Mike for taking the time to

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tell us about his new book and thank you

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for hanging out with me today I'm Jason